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2011 Foundations & Powder Overview

2009 Foundations Overview

2009 Liquid Foundations Overview

Estee Lauder Double Wear

Shu Uemura Mousse Foundation

Shu Uemura Nobura Cream Foundation

Chanel Vitalumiere Aqua

Clarins Hydra Luminious Powder Foundation

Chanel CC Cream

Clarins Extra Firming Foundation

Cle de Peau BEAUTE Silky Cream & Concealer

Clé de Peau BEAUTÉ Brightening Base & Powder Foundation

Clarins Skin Illusion Foundation

DiorSnow Base Routine

Giorgio Armani Maestro Foundation

Giorgio Armani Face Fabric

Illamasqua Skinbase

Kevyn Aucoin Sensual Skin Enhancer

MUFE Mat Velvet+

MUFE HD Foundation & Powder

Lancome Teint Miracle Liquid Foundation

Lancome Maqui Miracle Compact Foundation

Lancome Mat Miracle 24H Foundation

Lancome UV Shield BB Creme

Lancome Regenerie Eclat Multi Lift CC Cream

Laura Mercier Overview

Maybelline Pure Mineral Liquid Foundation

Maquillage Long Lasting Cream Stick foundation

Maquillage Esscence Rich White Liquid UV foundation

Maquillage Multi Base BB & True Powdery UV foundation

NARS Sheer Glow

NARS Sheer Glow [Revisited]

Rachel K BB Cream

Shiseido Sheer & Perfect Foundation 

Shiseido Natural Finish Cream Concealer 

Shiseido Radiant Lifting Foundation

Shu Uemura Smooth Fit Liquid Foundation

Shu Uemura Mousse Foundation

Shu Uemura Instant Radiant Base

SUQQU Frame Fix Lasting Pact Foundation

Tom Ford Traceless Liquid Foundation

Clinique Age Defense BB Cream

Dior Capture Totale UV Base 

Bobbi Brown BB Cream

Freshel BB Cream

Laneige Snow BB Cushion

Ettusais Mineral BB Cream

Ettusais Quick Fix Powder

ZA True White Liquid Foundation



About Me

My name is Sophia, and I am in my early 30s. I am from Singapore and I am the sole writer of this blog.

About this Blog

I started this blog in 2006, I like to use a wide range of brands though I seem to have a growing preference for higher-end brands in recent years. I also like to share interesting things I have come across about makeup and beauty.

Currently The Makeup Blogette receives 39,000 unique views monthly or 2,238,932 views and counting.

My Makeup Style

I like classic looks (neutral tones on eyes, anything goes for lips & cheeks), though occasionally I try out dramatic/ statement looks.  I believe that a flawless base is the key to achieving great makeup looks.  I also believe that if you don't have great skin to start with, fake it with a good foundation routine, and even greater skincare.  I am currently loving Clarins & Lancome skincare products, and Vichy NormaDerm for tackling with breakouts.

What Cameras do I use?

Most of the pictures you see in post 2010 entries are taken with my Canon G-11.  Previously I was using Canon Ixus 80.  I do post some pictures which are taken with my iphone4 which I will state in that particular entry.  I have stopped watermarking my pictures as of 2011, because I think watermarks are ugly in general, and does not prevent people from stealing my pictures if they wish to.  I just take it as a compliment that my pictures are even worth stealing in the first place. I might look into getting a Canon EOS next year, not just for blogging purposes, but I also like photography in general.

My Favourite Makeup Brand(s)

It is hard to name just one, but I like NARS, Chanel, Illamasqua and the ocasional Guerlain, Dior & Urban Decay item.  I own quite a stash of MAC items, but recently I have stopped catching up with their collections, and I much prefer to splurge on a few really outstanding items.

Where to find me

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I have no official Facebook fan page, and currently have no intention to start one at all.  The Makeup Blogette remains my personal hobby and property, so as such, I don't believe in having a Facebook fanpage for it.

Final Disclaimer

I bought/ paid for all of the products mentioned in this blog. I am not affliated to any company. If certain products are sent to me for review purposes, I will say so and express my honest opinions about them. In any case, I will only review and showcase the products which I have personally tried and tested, and enjoy using. I do not get paid to review anything.

No ads, no paid links etc please.  I am in charge of all content and pictures here.

I am not a makeup artist, nor do I have any professional training in makeup.




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    February 09, 2014

    Bath & Body Works in Singapore

    On Saturday I went to check out the new and first Bath & Body Works store in Singapore.  It is located at Marina Bay Sands Shoppers (next to Sephora!) and I shall share with you what I found at the store, and what I bought there. 
    I love the BBW candles, room sprays/ fragrance in general.  I am not so much into their body care, or much of their fragrance collection.  

    Some of my fave scents include (and I mean room fragrance...not so much as a perfume)
    Peach Bellini 
    Island Margarita
    Warm Vanilla Sugar (as a handwash, not as a room scent)
    Peach Market
    Japanese Cherry Blossom

    When I posted pics of the store on Instagram, many of you were super excited about the opening, and I hope the prices below are helpful.  Personally, I don't think that the prices are too high/ marked up (maybe just a few dollars more.. but come on.. it's understandable!).  Considering the fact that we actually have a legit brick and motar store here in Sg, and you get to shop for yourself, that's really a priceless experience.  The store is well stocked, and the feeling of being there really make me feel like I am buying my stuff while I was in SF (where I went to the BBW store).  You get to smell and test the goodies in real life before making your purchase (instantly), no waiting for shipping, paying for shipping or having to get someone else haul for you overseas.  

    You can follow BBW on FB for updates (that's how I know they are opening the past weekend)
    Bath & Bodyworks Singapore Facebook Page

    Limited Time Promo
    All New Signature Collection items 
    Buy 2, get 1 Free
    excludes Gift Sets, Daily to Go Single Items.

    Signature Collection Prices
    Shower Gel $20
    Body Lotion $20
    Fine Fragrance Mist $22 
    Body Cream $20
    Body Butter $25
    Bubble Bath $22
    Shimmer Mist $22
    Cream Body Wash $20
    2.5oz EDT $50

    Home Fragrance 

    14.5oz Candles $32 (the 3 wick ones, MY FAVES)
    4oz Candles $18 (tiny!)
    Mini Candles $8 (even tinier!!!)
    Wallflower Diffuser $10
    Wallflower Bulb $10
    Concentrated Room Spray $9 (MY FAVES)
    Scentportable Clip $5 
    Scentportable Fragrance Disk $5 (MY FAVE for car and cubicle purposes)
    Home Fragrance Oil Warmer $25
    Home Fragrance Oil $9 

    Other prices:
    PocketBac $5
    Handsoaps  2 for $12 

    The most exciting thing about the store was the Sweet Shop collection of candles, and I couldn't resist getting a couple of them.

    and these are my loots:

    I picked the two sweet shops candles that sound the most delicious - 

    Everything in this collection smells like a cake shop... and I thought I already passed the phase of getting these baking type scents, but I just couldn't resist these.  
    They even come in these cute caps.. instead of the shiny smooth silver ones. 

    my fave handwash scent!  I like the little scrubby bits, and makes washing my hands so nice and fun. 

    adding another room spray (I already have most of them..these are very concentrated, and a little bottle like this lasts a long time).  
    I got Mahogany Teakwood --- aka  the smell of Fierce in the Ambercrombie Fitch stores. Bro loves this, of course. 

    Hope this entry has been helpful, and thanks for looking!

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    February 03, 2014

    MAC Lady Danger Lipstick

    Hi hi~

    This entry is dedicated to MAC Lady Danger, which I think is one of MAC's 'famous' lipsticks - it is a warm orangey red that has a matte finish, but it's not one of the dry matte lipsticks... I found the texture to be quite creamy and the formula is easy to wear on me.  I actually have this brilliant lipstick almost a year, when I back to MAC a bunch of lipsticks... and this is one of the few that I picked out.  No wonder this is such a popular shade.  With a color like this, I often find that I don't need much else on the face and this color just makes me look fresh and radiant.  Today I wore it out with just a clean face, no eyeshadows, just neat brows and a little warmth on the face.  The lipstick itself doesn't run nor slip around due to its matte formula, and is pretty long lasting. 

    Here's a lip swatch, photobombed by my strands of hair... 

    (Today I also purchased MAC High Energy pro longwear lip pencil to go with this lipstick, and several other warm reds/ oranges in my stash.)

    and on the rest of the face: 

    I am wearing most Shiseido on the rest of the face.  Will post details of these other products soon. 

    Everyone needs MAC Lady Danger!

    Hope you find this entry helpful, and thanks for looking!

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    January 31, 2014

    YSL La Laque Couture Spicy Collection [Photos & Swatches]

    YSL will launch La Laque Couture Spicy Collection which features 5 new shades and an extremely brilliant top coat which can give a glamorous look to any nail polish.  I will be sharing with you swatches of the entire collection in this entry. 

    YSL La Laque Couture Spicy Collection

    • 41 Eau de Rose - pale beigy nude, two coats, not streaky at all. I like the pastel peachy undertone.
    • 42 Safran Sultan - mustard spicy yellow, slightly muted
    • 43 Opulente Cannelle - rose wood shade, very universally flattering.
    • 44 Ambre Gingembre - I call this the curry shade, a warm ginger latte type color.  Very interesting, very unique.
    • 45 Piment D'Ailleurs - pink deep rose red, again, very flattering across different skintones.
    • 46 Poivre Noir - deep darken red with just a tiny hint of purple
    • 47 Feuille d’Or (Top Coat) - a golden broken glass bits effect, quite smooth, and buildable to your preferred density

    All colors are shown without topcoat and basecoat.  Two coats for each color, and one coat of 47 Feuille d’Or  on the accent nails.

    The formula on all the color shades are very smooth, and glossy. 

    Hope you find these helpful, and thanks for looking!!

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    January 30, 2014

    Review & Application: Sulwhasoo Evenfair Perfecting Cushion Foundation

    Hi hi!!

    This is a review of the new (launching 7 Feb) Sulwhasoo Evenfair Perfecting Cushion foundation.  

    The Evenfair Perfecting Cusion is a cushion-type foundation with optimal and long-lasting coverage.  It offers multiple benefits including suncreen SPF50 PA+++, brightening, wrinkle correction and improved skin elasticity.  In addition, exclusive traditional herbal hydrators in Evenfair Perfecting Cushion leaves skin hydrated all day long to create a more natural and healthy complexion.  Even the Perfecting Puff is specially designed for the product to pick up the right amount of foundation to apply onto the skin.  

    Housed in an elegant gold compact case, Sulwahsoo Evenfair Perfecting Cushin is the ultimate perfect foundation for every Asian woman, giving smooth and even coverage with luminous finish. 

    Here are some product close up & swatches:

    I am using the foundation in the shade Medium Beige. 

    Unlike the Laneige BB Cushion which I have tried and reviewed before, upon touching and swatching this you can immediately feel that it is a foundation that gives you more coverage than a normal BB cream.   This is ultra lightweight, and yet provides me enough coverage for daily wear. 

    And here's the application:

    I don't use the puff that comes with the compact - I simply prefer using a brush, and here, I am just 'stabbing' my foundation brush into the cushion itself, picking up product to apply onto the face.  I do have to go back and forth a few times to cover the whole face.  I reckon this cushion will last me about 3 weeks if I use it EVERYDAY, but since I am rotating and testing out a couple of foundations at any one time, I think this can last me over a month..which means the refill will def come in handy when I run out of it.  I can already feel that the product is running out quickly (as I can feel the brush does not pick up as much product as before compared to the first few times I used it). 

    You can see here even a thin layer of the foundation is enough to give enough coverage and make my skin look very smooth.  Because it is so lightweight, it is very easy to blend and also build up on areas where you need more coverage.

    Here's a quick half face comparison:
    As you can see,  the foundation does provide decent coverage. 

    and here, after setting and some concealer on my spts.  My eyes are looking a little puffy and tired from the serious lack of sleep... opps! 

    My overall thoughts on the foundation:

    • I am most impressed by the brightening and smooth finish of the foundation.  It makes me look healthy, and awake.  I don't really expect such coverage and finish from a cushion type foundie (usually liquid foundations give me such results) - so this is really quite a bonus. 
    • The foundation is also quite long lasting, a good 10 hours throughout the day. It never oxidise on me, nor make me look greasy at all. It just looks effortlessly flawless on me. 
    • I love the lightly herbal/ floral scent of the foundation. 
    • It is super easy to apply, and it does feel quite hydrating. 
    • I also find that my skin looks visibly brightening and more even after using the foundation for about a week. 
    • For comparisons, this might be similiar to foundations like Chanel Vitalumiere Aqua, Shiseido Sheer & Perfect foundation, and a little bit like the Guerlain Tenue de Perfection. 
    • Great for fair to light medium skin tone ladies, as the shade range is very limited. 
    • I really enjoyed wearing it, definitely highly recommend!

    Hope this overview is helpful, and thanks for reading!

    Ending this entry with a video I found on Youtube on the Evenfair Perfecting Cushion foundation. 

    Evenfair Perfecting Cushion retails at SG$74 and is availabvle in four shades - No13 Light Pink, No21 Medium Pink, No23 Medium Beige and No25 Feep Beige.  It will be available from 7 Feb 2014. 

    Sulwhasoo is available at TANGS Vivocity, Tangs Orchard, Takashimaya and Robinsons Orchard.

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    January 30, 2014

    Hourglass ICON Lippies & Femme Nude Stylo


    This is an impulsive purchase with the help of my friend Eliza - and I am really loving these Hourglass lippies!  They are releasing so many great stuff, I really wish they make a comeback to Singapore.  If they retail at Robs, or Tangs, or Sephora.. I am sure they will be so much better received this time round...all the ambient powders, foundations, and lippies! 

    Femme Nude Stylo 
    A seductive collection of nude lip crayons delivering a full-coverage formula and satin finish. Enclosed in a luxurious retractable stylo, Femme Nude enhances the natural sensuality of your lips by adding fullness, dimension and balance. With six shades to choose from there’s a nude for every mood. 

    I got mine in No04 - A pink beige nude, with a touch of deep rose.

    Opaque Rouge 
    A richly pigmented, silky smooth and velvety matte lip color that delivers extended wear without flaking or dryness. For optimal staying power, clean lips of other oils and balms. Allow to set for 30 seconds to one minute. 

    I got mine in ICON a deep deep red. 

    Femme Rouge 
    A lustrous, long-lasting and refillable cream lipstick that hydrates and softens lips. The silky, richly pigmented formula defines and shapes the lips as it moisturizes for a plush cushiony effect.  Using a lip brush, apply the lipstick from the outer corner to the inner corner, and repeat from the other side. For a bold statement, apply a neutral lip liner over the whole pout to create a base for your lipstick.

    I got mine in ICON - a true cool toned red. 


    Overall look: 

    The Femme Nude in 04 is a nice pink nude that is easy to wear.  I like the crayon style, and it is also quite creamy. 
    Def a great color that suits all kinds of makeup looks. 

    Femme Rouge in ICON is a a creamy formula that looks opaque after 2 coats.  I had to use a lip brush to define the edges of my lips..and apply mostly with the lip brush.  The lipstick is shaped too angular for me to do a precise application straight from the bullet.  The formula is smooth and it is really a classic red. 

    Opqaue Rouge is intense and BOLD.  It is a deep dark red that sets budge proof after about a minute.  The application can be tricky, and it is best if you work fast.  It also sets into any dry patches of your lips.. so be sure to exfoliate and moisture your lips well prior to application.  But this is really a bold and elegant shade which really caught my eyes. 

    Hope you find this helpful and thanks for reading!

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    January 30, 2014

    THREE Flash Performance eyeliner pencils 03 Eye Sense & 06 Eye Kon


    One of my purchases from Tokyo are these THREE eyeliner pencils.  They cost around SG$40 each, and in my opinion, worth every cent - I now own 6 of these pencils, and they are all equally beautiful.  They last well, doesn't smudge and contains the most beautiful shimmers in them. 

    The packaging is black and chic, and comes with a smudge tip on the other end. 
    I picked a golden brown shade with the prettiest golden shimmer bits, and a deep purpley red with multi-shimmer bits. 

    swatches - taken with  my iphone cos I forgot to use my camera to snap a shot!  :o 
    But you can see the shimmer bits - and they don't move or fall all over your lids!  The quality is just impressive. 

    Here's how they look like on my lids - 

    The 06 Eye Kon is a great shadow color liner for under the eyes, and both shades are great to jazz up an otherwise neutral eye look. 

    and my little expanding family of these THREE liners: 

    That's all, and thanks for reading!

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    January 30, 2014

    Review & Application: Hourglass Immaculate Liquid Powder Foundation

    Hi hi!  This entry will be a review of the Hourglass Immaculate Liquid Powder foundation - I am using mine in the shade Shell - and I got this from a swap with my friend in Australia, Inta! Check out her beauty blog here

    Here is the product description: 

    Consider Immaculate the miracle foundation for oily skin. This breakthrough liquid to powder formula absorbs oil, camouflages imperfections, and delivers a long-lasting velvet matte finish—without the need for touch-ups. In a consumer study, Immaculate’s advanced formula was shown to target oily, acne-prone skin. 

    Breakthrough liquid-to-powder formula delivers an unparalleled matte finish with real longevity that lasts all day, eliminating the need for powder, blotting tissues or constant touch-ups.

    Cashmere Kaolinite Clay, an advanced new clay, offers exceptional oil absorption—absorbing 75% of its weight in sebum while retaining moisture in the skin. 

    The oil-free and water-resistant foundation goes on smoothly and dries down instantly to a soft, velvet finish that never looks dull or flat.

    Unlike matte foundations of old, Immaculate’s superfine treated pigments provide unsurpassed coverage without looking cakey or mask-like, or feeling dry on the skin.

    My shade Shell, is the fourth shade in the range - it is a light neutral shade with some slight golden undertone.  
    I have been using it for more than a month, and I am most impressed by its mattifying factor and lasting power.  Before I go into the details, here's some pictures of the application process.  

    I usually use the foundation over a sunscreen base (usually YSL UV Shield or Sulwhasoo Snowise BB base) because the foundation itself does not contain any SPF.   But in these pics, I am showing the application over bare skin. 

    The foundation itself is quite thick and creamy.. and it reminds me of my Chanel Mat Lumiere because it dries quite quickly and you need to clear the pump opening or else it will dry and clog at the opening.   Not much of an issue for me though. 

    Here's the application: 

    The warm tones of the foundation really helps to neutralise the pink and redness in my skin, especially around my nose and on my cheeks. The foundation is easy to apply and blend, and I usually use a buffing brush to work the foundation into my skin. 

    As you can see in the half face picture, the foundation immediately sets quite matte, and I don't really have to use a powder to set the foundation.  On a daily basis, I usually do set (cos I want the foundation to 'properly' set for the rest of the day, and also bearing in mind that I have a sunscreen base underneath).  However, let's say I use this foundation for a night out, I would skip the sunscreen base, and I can just use the foundation on its own. 
    I do however, use a FINISHING powder, in this case, the Hourglass Ambient Lighting powder in Dim Light to finish the foundation, as well as to add a subtle glow back into the skin. 

    Products used in this picture: 

    face - Hourglass Liquid Powder foundation, finished with Hourglass Ambient Lighting powder in Dim Light
    concealer - YSL touche eclat under the eyes
    eyes - Tom Ford Cocoa Mirage 
    liners - THREE Flash Performance Liners in 03 and 06
    lips - Hourglass Femme Rouge ICON
    cheeks - ADDICTION blush in Amazing
    brows - Anastasia brow powder duo, set with NARS brow gel in Piraeus

    Overall thoughts of the foundation:

    • The foundation offers medium to full coverage.  It is quite buildable, but I really suggest just applying a smooth even layer, instead of trying to build it up too much.  It is able to even out my skintone and cover up most of my obvious spots.. so sometimes I can just skip any other concealer if I am running out of time. 
    • The foundation is indeed one of the most mattifying ones I have used - other comparables include Chanel Mat Lumiere, Lancome Mat Miracle foundation.  It looks fresh for most of the day, without me having to blot at all.  It also doesn't look dull and flat despite the matte finish.  It just makes my skin look quite smooth and diffuses the look of pores on my skin.
    • I think that this is a foundation suited for people with quite oily complexion, and people who like to have a very matte foundation.  For me, I enjoy the smooth matte finish, but I would use a more radiant finishing powder to give me a slightly more radiant look. 
    • The foundation is able to last me a good 10 - 12 hours of a typical work day, and I never have to worry about my foundation looking faded or worn by the end of the day. 

    Hope this review has been helpful, and thanks for reading! 

    I have one more Hourglass entry coming up next... lippies! Stay tuned!

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    January 26, 2014

    NARSissist Palette Look Two - Warm Smokey & Hot Pink Lips

    Hi hi!

    This is another look that I did using the new NARSissist Palette - a warm smokey brown - incidentally I already own all these shades in my collection haha.. Fez, Mekong, Bali, etc etc... for detailed swatches, click this entry here. 

    You can get this palette for yourself via preorder on the 27 Jan at this micro site - http://bit.ly/narsissist. or it will be in store from 3 Feb.  The palette retails for SGD$115. 

    I was very kindly gifted the NARSissist palette, and here are some gorgeous close ups of the palette - 

    I like that there's a good combo of matte and metallic shades - 

    Swatches of the colors I used, 

    on my brows & to blend - the matte browns

    on the lids - the deep metallic browns

    on the browbone - the pale shimmery ones 

    and a close up of the eyelook - 

    an overall look - 

    I decided to pair the warm smokey eyelook with hot pink lips that match my dress. 

    All things used: 

    Face - Radiant Creamy Foundation mixed with a little Radiance Enhancing primer, set with Loose Powder (Eden), and finally finished with Translucent Pressed Powder

    Concealer - Radiant Creamy Concealer

    Liners - Larger than Life Via Veneto (black on upper lids), Larger than Life Via Appia (metallic brown on lower lids)

    Lips - Cinematic Lipstick Goodbye Emmanuelle, Satin Lip Pencil YU

    Cheeks - Laguna Bronzer, Final Cut blush

    Eyes - NARSissist Palette, colors as stated above 

    Brows - NARSissist Palette, colors as stated, set with Brow Gel in Piraeus 

    Dress - Graphic print dress with contrasting collar ASOS 

    Nails - GummiNails

    Hope you find this entry helpful, and thanks for looking!

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    January 26, 2014

    NARSissist Palette Look One - Smokey Grey

    Hi hi!!

    This is a quick look that I did using the upcoming NARSissist Palette - a beautiful palette that contains 15 NARS permanent eyeshadow shades.  If you are a neutral lover, you NEED this palette.  I was gifted this awesome palette by NARS, and I couldn't wait to try it out.  I had previously shown swatches of this palette in this entry here.  

    Important information on getting this palette for yourself:

    You can pre-order this palette via this microsite - http://bit.ly/narsissist - on the 27 Jan.  The palette will also be available from the 3 Feb onwards at the NARS store... but to avoid any sold out situation, I would totally go for the pre-order option. 
    It retails for SGD$115, limited edition. 

    Here's what I used on the eyes - it's a rather easy smokey eyes, and I wasn't being super careful with the application.  
    I also kept the rest of the face very natural, in fact, I only used a tinted moisturiser for this LOTD... as the eyes & lips are the focus. 

    All things used: 

    Face - Pure Radiant Tinted Moisturiser (light 2 Alaska) mixed with a little Radiance Enhancing primer, set with Loose Powder (Eden), and finally finished with Translucent Pressed Powder

    Concealer - Radiant Creamy Concealer

    Liners - Larger than Life Via Veneto (black on upper lids)

    Lips - Trans Siberian

    Cheeks - Laguna Bronzer, Final Cut blush

    Eyes - NARSissist Palette, colors as stated above 

    Brows - NARSissist Palette, colors as stated, set with Brow Gel in Piraeus 

    Top - ASOS 

    Nails - GummiNails

    I have another look, coming right after this entry!   Stay tuned!

    Thanks for looking! 

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    January 26, 2014

    NARS Lipsticks in Trans Siberian & Scarlet Empress

    I picked up these two NARS red lippies during the party which I hosted at NARS back in December.. and finally got down to taking pics (and start using them).  It is my personal goal to eventually collect all the red lippies from my fave makeup brand, I think I have more than ten NARS reds..and I don't think I am halfway close. 

    I got these two shades: 

    Trans Siberian (semi matte) - Ruby Rose, looking like a deep true red on me  LOVES

    Scarlet Empress  (a little sheer, but still creamy) - a deep plum red (can't find this on the NARS Site... what's happening?) 

    and an overall look - more info on this look in another entry.

    Wearing Trans Siberian and NARS everything else.